NE Portland: Where PBR and Pinot Noir Share the Fridge

Ah, Northeast Portland. Land of artisanal everything (cheese, pickles, tacos, and beer!), vintage clothing stores to get your planet-friendly recycled clothing fix, and enough beards to make a Viking jealous. But beneath the surface of all things ‘Portlandia’, lies a neighborhood teaming with creativity, a burgeoning food scene, and a surprising amount of affordability.

NE PDX is the juxtaposition of the inconic “Portland Four Square” as the backdrop for a fixie bike with a basket overflowing with local farmer’s market produce. Here, you’ll find dive bars serving PBR alongside trendy gastropubs boasting Pinot Noir pairings. Don’t worry, though, there’s plenty of good old-fashioned fun in places like the Alberta Street Pub,  happy hour dinners at Dekum Triangle’s neighborhood gathering spot Breakside Brewery, or getting your spin on at the new disco roller skating rink in the old Lloyd Center Marshall’s Department store (yes, the ice skating rink is still there too!).

And speaking of the Lloyd District.  There are big plans for a revamp of this southernmost pocket of inner NE Portland that include an exciting reimagining of the old Lloyd Center Mall Space and surrounding neighborhood.  Field Operations, the firm that designed the High Line, the wildly popular park built on an old elevated train line in Manhattan, will design the open spaces at the new Lloyd Center. About 20% of the site is designated as greenspace which will remove the “go-around” necessity created by the concrete barrier of the old mall structure.  Instead of focusing ‘in’ as the old mall did, the new plan creates an outward-facing and interactive neighborhood space.  Maybe the best news yet is that Portland baseball fans still might have a chance at realizing the dream of a Major League Baseball team and stadium in Portland.  While the Lloyd District master plan doesn’t currently include a baseball stadium, it doesn’t rule it out either (If you build it, they will come…).

And Did we mention the food? From Alberta Street’s long-standing favorite La Bonita serving up some damn fine Tacos al Pastor, to Cason’s Fine Meats where you can bring home something delicious to grill for your summer backyard BBQ hang, to Bamboo Sushi & Zilla Sake for some of the best sushi in town, and inspired local restaurants with menus that change seasonally (DameExpatriate & OX  are some notable standouts), there’s something to tantalize every taste bud.

So, if you’re looking for a place with a pulse, where you can catch a live band playing in a neighborhood hangout one night and spend the next morning choosing from more brunch spots than a human has the right to walk to (and run into 12 of your favorite friends and neighbors on the way), then Northeast Portland might just be your perfect match. Just be warned – you might develop an uncontrollable urge to lose your car, make a lot of art, and (of course) become mildly surprised by nothing, not even that guy in a kilt on a double-decker, 2-story bicycle.

Is AI Humanity’s Express Ticket to Nirvana?

We’ve just spent 3 days in New York City attending a terrific national real estate and technology conference called Inman.  As you probably can imagine, there was quite a bit of talk about Artificial Intelligence (AI) or if you prefer, the more approachable title that was offered:  Machine Learning.

We hit it all:  tour after tour of all the incredible things you can do with AI?  Big Check.  Reassuring sound bites like “While AI isn’t going to take your job, someone who uses AI probably is!”  Check.  Then came the sleepless nights playing the endless feedback loop of the multitude of Pandora’s Box scenarios to the Terminator soundtrack.  Mmhm. Check-double-check.

But after one such long sleepless night, I headed down to the event space in my end-of-humanity doom spiral and started chatting with another Living Room Realty colleague.  He was elated.  He was giddy.  He was filled with joy after his own night of AI contemplation.  I was stunned and told him of my surprise given my very long night of mental doom scrolling.  He said:  “AI is going to force humanity to a state of Nirvana.”

Buddha as the universal symbol of Nirvana
A Buddha stupa is pictured on occasion of Buddha Purnima festival in Kathmandu, Nepal.

Street Philosophy After Tea and Soup Dumplings

I’m going to spare you the full two-hour conversation that eventually ensued but here’s the gist:

  • “This is New York being New York RIGHT NOW!  That’s all there is.  Just New York being New York at this exact moment.”
  • “So basically you’re saying that AI completely levels the playing field.  If information and access to information is available to everyone then what’s left?  Knowledge isn’t so important anymore.  But knowledge and wisdom are two very different things.

Let’s just say I finally started to fathom his point.  And to you lucky New Yorkers who got some hilarious and/or passionate philosophical snippets as we wandered mid-town, you’re welcome.

Time for Your Superpower

Now how exactly would AI lead us to Nirvana, you ask? Well, when you accept the premise that everything that humanity has done, is doing, or will do, as just the result of a lot of data and a lot of super high-level math, that concept of detachment and release we all hear so much about in our hot-yoga classes doesn’t seem so impossible.

Then all that’s left is to accept AI as your personal task ninja, liberating you from the daily grind.  And that will leave you with potentially quite a lot of time to contemplate humanity’s deeper mission.  Ask yourself, once you automate the mundane, what could you do, imagine, create, or solve?

It’s possible that there could be quite a lot of time to unleash our true creativity helping us tackle real issues like world peace, or at the very least, a more reliable Wi-Fi or cell signal.

So did I use AI to write this Blog?  Yup.

How much of Chat GPT made it in my final edit?  Maybe 7%?

Did I save any time?  Not this time.  It’s my first go around but I can see the potential there.

Is this Blog better because of the brainstorming and research I did in Chat GPT first?  For sure!

Have I 100% stepped out of the Pandora’s Box camp? …  …  … …

So now that I understand AI and how it will lead me to enlightenment, what will I focus on moving forward?  What is worthy of all the time I’m evidently now going to find for truly important and meaningful activity?   It’s the real estate training industry’s favorite question to ask: What are you really good at?  What is your superpower?

I think Chat GPT has finally helped me answer that question:  Editing.

Kari McGee

971.322.6612

EARTHQUAKE RETROFITTING: HOW MUCH DOES IT COST?

Over the years, I’ve heard the topic of earthquakes and earthquake retrofitting and how much it costs and whether or not you should do it come up from time to time, so I figured it was time to write up a bloggity blog to shed a little light on the subject. So grab yourself a cup o’ something that brings you joy, relax and enjoy. *Bonus points if you can get your device to dictate this to you in Christopher Walken’s voice 😉

SO…HOW MUCH DOES IT COST
TL;DR = (a) roughly $500-725 if you follow my *DIY approach…but jump down to the bottom if (b) you want to get the cost of a more professional approach.
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Longer version of (a) with a DISCLAIMER:
*This information is for fun and shouldn’t be relied on when making decisions on DIY’ing the earthquake retrofitting of your basement. Disclaimer aside, here we go…

BASICS: Assuming you’ve got 112 linear feet in your basement and given that the plates should be no further than 6′ apart = (112/6) = 18.6666666666666666667Since you can’t buy .6666666666666666667 of a plate, let’s call it 20 plates needed for this project.

But Steve…” I hear you already thinking, “…shouldn’t it be 19 if we’re rounding up?

No, but since you’re most likely gonna drop one of the plates behind a retaining wall and won’t be able to reach it, I’m trying to save you an unnecessary trip back to Home Depot.

According to Home Depot, the brackets themselves range from $22.00-24.43 x 20 plates = $440.00-488.60
You’re also going to need concrete screws. Assuming I got the correct screws here, it’s $29.97 for 75 screws.

Depending on which bracket you get, there are 5-7 screws needed per plate x 19 plates…

You again: “But Steve, I thought we needed 20 plates?
Me: “No, you need 19 plates. The twentieth was extra. (pause) Are you done interrupting me?!?
You: …
Me: “Okay, moving on…

So for determining how many screws you’ll need, that’s 19 plates x 5-7 screws per plate = 95-133 screws. Either way, you’ll need two boxes of screws. Side note: assuming you don’t break any of the screws, this will leave you with 17-55 leftover screws, which you can put in the back corner of your garage with all the other boxes of leftover screws that, let’s be honest, you’re *never going to use!

*Unless you throw them away…then you’ll definitely need them next week for that project you’ve been wanting to do since before the pandemic and, honestly, should have done in the first three months of the pandemic, instead of worrying whether or not the world was going to end, but just never got around to because, once you got through the first wave of Covid fear, you started focusing all of your free time talking to your sourdough starter, binge watching Tiger King, beating yourself up because you left your mask at home and had to drive back to the house on the first several trips to the store, judging other people’s at-home offices while you, yourself, were wearing no pants to the company Zoom meeting, becoming a parent to a new house plant and…

ANYWAYS…The cost of two boxes of screws is $59.94

OPTIONAL: If you don’t already have a drill and a concrete drill bit, that’s gonna run you a little less than $100 for both the drill and the bits. Or you can borrow it from your neighbor, Todd. You know, the neighbor who has every tool available, a boat, a camper, always leaves his garage open and, somehow, no one ever steals anything from Todd. Yeah, that neighbor. You know Todd has been dying to have you over for a Coors Light to tell you all of the details of how Todd knew Bob Ross through a friend of a friend and the time Bob Ross gave Todd a private painting lesson. You’ll also need to accept the fact that Todd likes to speak in third person. It’s just what Todd does. Listen to his stories. Borrow his tools. Save money.

MISCELLANEOUS: You might need some washers or other random things I’m not thinking of, so let’s just add an extra $75 for any unexpected costs, which brings us to a grand total of…

TOTAL COST OF PARTS$499.94-723.54 …with the option to save up to $175 depending on whether or not you need to dip into that $75 unexpected costs and whether or not you’re willing to ask your neighbor, Todd, to borrow those tools.

TOTAL COST OF LABORFREE (You got this!)

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(b) ALL JOKING ASIDE: If professionally earthquake retrofitting your home is something you have been thinking of doing, and you want to get an honest take on (a) whether or not it’s something you need to do and (b) how much it might cost, I highly, highly recommend reaching out to Foundations First NW – I recently spoke with Joe Smith, the owner, who said the average cost is $3,500-4,500 – they’re a good, solid, honest group of contractors who not only know what they’re doing, but they’ll also give you their honest opinion if retrofitting your home is NOT something you even need to do: 503-610-6268

Portland’s Fixer Audience is Alive and Kicking!

The surprise news of late 2021 and early 2022 is that Portland’s fixer audience is indeed alive and well.

One of the dominant messages of the real estate market for the last few years has been that most Buyers are hesitant to take on properties that need work.   So when we listed this lovely but “untouched” home for sale in December, we were expecting a somewhat limited audience.

13 offers and $75,000 over asking later, we are here to tell you that the holy trinity of real estate: “Location, location, location” still has the power to encourage Buyer HouseLove for just about anything as long as the location is strong!

In this case, there truly is a lot to love about this charming Laurelhurst Bungalow.  So it hadn’t really been updated since 1968 but the Sellers put a new roof on prior to listing the property to help protect the home during our wet winter season, and get us through an appraisal.  The floor plan lends itself perfectly to expansion and/or improvement, and you just can’t go wrong with the high-quality ‘bones’ you get with this charming bungalow. 

And the gorgeous block – considered by many to be one of the best in the neighborhood, really was the star of our show.

As realtors, there’s something so deeply satisfying about helping a beloved neighborhood home, that’s had a full and wonderful life, transition to its next owners.  We know that exciting and wonderful things are in store for 822 NE Hazelfern Pl.

  • Listed:  $525,000
  • Sold:  $600,000
  • 13 Offers
  • 4 Days on Market

If you have a Portland Fixer to sell we would be honored to help you!  Feel free to call, text or email.

Kari & Erika

www.houselovepdx.com

 

 

 

 

 

What’s Going on in the Portland Condo Market?

Harrison West Building in Downtown Portland

You may have heard that the Portland condo market is a bit slow these days. While this may be true for the big picture of Portland Condominium real estate, there are some interesting developments in today’s market.  We’re actually finding that the current condo market is nuanced and that the above statement doesn’t really reflect what many Condo Sellers and Buyers are experiencing in Portland right now.

The bright spots can be found at the extremes of the price range.

Let’s start with the low end of the market in south and west Portland (the areas where most of Portland’s traditional condos are located).  In the $350,000 and under price point 225 units sold in the last six months and 35 units are currently in pending status.  The median number (the median takes out the outliers compared to the average) of days on market for sold units was 36 days.  In the six-month period from May 2021 through October 2021, 90% of the listed condo units were sold.  In our recent experience, many of these condo Sellers are even experiencing multiple offers and escalating sales prices – elements not typically seen in Portland’s more recent condo market.

Compare this to the $350,000-$650,000 price point where 31 units are currently pending and 291 units sold in the same May through October 2021 six-month period.  The median number of days on market was 53 and while more units sold in this price range, only 80% of the total listed inventory was sold in this timeframe.  Buyers definitely have a lot to choose from in this price range.

In the upper end of the price point above $1,000,000, the last six months have seen the largest year-over-year gains in the condo market.  We’re seeing a 10% gain over the same 6 months (May to October) in 2020.   While this noticeable increase likely just makes up some lost ground that occurred in 2020 during Covid, not all price points have had nearly the same upswing.  With 5.1 months of inventory to choose from – more than double the inventory in other price points,  there is a lot of competition for sellers.  It seems, however, that there there is an active and hungry Buyer audience that is driving the 48 strong, closed sales in this timeframe (just over 50% of the listed properties sold in this timeframe).  Additionally, the median days on the market of 51-days isn’t too shabby for this traditionally slower-selling high-end inventory.

Given a large amount of competition in all price ranges, Buyers can be picky and wait to “cherry-pick” the best properties.  Condos with spectacular views, balconies, deeded parking, recent cosmetic upgrades, storage spaces, and nearby popular neighborhood amenities such as restaurants, are all important features for today’s condo buyers.

As a result, it’s important that motivated Condo Sellers realistically consider the strengths and weaknesses of their unit compared to the competing active inventory and price it right!

Effectively marketing the strengths of your unit also is imperative in this competitive condo market.  Hiring a savvy real estate broker who is experienced in highlighting a property in its best light, will be an important factor in a Seller’s success.

If you are a condo seller and are trying to decide if the time is right to sell your property, give us a call.  We are happy to review your situation and provide you with the information you need to make smart decisions about selling your property.

 

 

Just Listed: Sweet SE One-level with Backyard Sanctuary

3805 SE 28th Pl, Portland OR 97202

Offered at $462,000

Adorable mid-century one-level ranch on a large, level lot. This professionally landscaped, sunny backyard (complete with 3 steel, raised garden beds) will be your SE sanctuary! Updated kitchen, newer plumbing (2018), and new interior paint. Blocks to Powell and Kenilworth Parks, Hopworks Brewery, or head south to Ship Ahoy & C Bar on Gladstone.  Clinton eateries, People’s Food Coop, Target, and year-round Clinton Farmers’ Market are all less than a mile away.

This property location has a Bikescore of 84 and a Walkscore of 78. You will love this terrific Creston-Kenilworth location!

Check out our Property Website for more details!

OPEN SUNDAY,  11/7/21, from 1 – 3 p.m.

2 Beds | 1 Bath | 912 sf

Lot Size:  5000 sf | Taxes:  $3996.64 | ML #21571809

 

One Block At A Time

It was very important for Daniel to find a house close to the one he just moved out of. He’s a dear friend of mine, as is his immediate family. His needs were similar to what mine are. I live within very close proximity of my ex, who is the father of my child. It’s important to us. We are pretty much best friends and we like to be close because it makes things easy for our child to go back and forth and I like how it extends our household.

Just last year we were looking for a house for Daniel’s mother in law, and we were dumbfounded at how cool it was that she’d be a mere “few houses down,” when we found it! Now Daniel (and Julia’s) son could run back and forth to his grandma’s house. We joked about finding another one on the block and just taking it over. That’s how much they love the neighborhood, ha ha!

Well, life happens and I was called again to help find another home. Would we be able to get lucky again, in this competitive market, in one of the hottest neighborhoods in Portland? We did. Daniel scored. We barely had any competition. It was just perfect summer timing. It’ll be a little love triangle, but not the one you’re thinking. 3 houses, the path to each creating a triangle built from a family that loves and respects one another. They may not own the whole block, but they sure are assets to the neighborhood. I wish them all the best.

I Feel Pretty in NW!

You know the “look”?  The light and airy, I-feel-pretty, carefully styled Boho-Beautiful look that many Buyers tell themselves they really don’t want.  It’s just no big deal, they say.  “It’s just staging and we can do it ourselves”…  And then you walk into a house that has the look and everyone just melts?

Our buyers weren’t really sure what they wanted when they started their search for a NW PDX condo, but they were very clear that they didn’t want to do work.

So when we viewed, this gorgeous, recently remodeled home that had not only the look, but the location and the floorplan our lovely clients wanted, it was a done deal.  Those light, seafoam green kitchen cabinets, floor-to-ceiling windows and soft white and grey tones combined with warm wood hues in the bathroom create the perfect zen effect.  Touring this home felt like visiting a spa.  How lucky our clients are to be able to actually live here…

Not too shabby for a first home, if we do say so ourselves…

Just Listed: Chic Alberta Arts NW Contemporary with ADU!

4857 NE 13th Ave.  Portland OR 97211

Offered at $945,000

Detached, spacious NW Contemporary home with permitted ADU for multi-generational needs, home office, or for renting! Open gourmet kitchen with quartz island, pantry storage & butler’s pantry. Windows galore for all-season natural light, high ceilings, custom cabinets, and built-ins. Private exterior side entrance and an interior staircase to the lower level allow for flexible use of the ADU space.  The fun Alberta Arts neighborhood is the perfect location for this live-in income-producing property. King Farmers Market, Alberta Co-op, Gumba, Proud Mary, Zilla Sake, Bye & Bye, and Salt & Straw are all right here!

Check out our 3D Self Guided Tour and Property Website for more details!

OPEN SATURDAY, August 21, from 1 – 3 p.m.

4 beds | 3.1 baths | 3067 sf

Lot Size:  .09 acre | Taxes:  $9591.71 | ML #21204670

 

 

 

 

 

Happy new year. Happy new house.

Maggie and Craig originally started their home search in early spring. The Covid-19 pandemic shut-down in late March put the brakes on their search. They simply weren’t interested in making a big purchase decision in such uncertain times.

Fast forward to late October and they were ready to restart their search with a strategic approach. After narrowing their locations by selecting a short list of elementary schools in the Portland area, Maggie and Craig prioritized homes that were bikeable to a MAX line and to downtown hospitals for Maggie’s work. They are a one-car family and they wanted to stay that way!

Before touring any home in person we prescreened homes with drive-bys, video tours, aerial map views, street-views, and floor plan drawings. We checked house history on portlandmaps.com and reviewed old listings for extra clues to the interior of homes.

Even as the pandemic continues to have a huge impact on our world, home buyers need to be ready to move fast and make quick, confident decisions in this fast-moving market. Homes are going pending in days. Multiple offer situations are common. And interest rates are fabulously low.

Despite the low inventory of homes for sale during this pandemic, this family found the perfect home. It’s a beautiful 100+ year old charmer with high-ceilings, beautiful woodwork, and a covered porch. The home has been well-cared for and the yard has great entertaining space, a picket fence, and climbing trees. It’s just 3 blocks from beautiful Westmoreland Park, it’s right on the bike route, and is walking distance to a MAX station. Coincidentally, it’s only 2 doors away from where they live now.

Happy new year to this happy family!

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Interested in making Portland your home?

Call Cheri Harney, at 503-319-4858.

Top 4 Things to Consider When Buying a New Construction Home

Yes…  Strong, the pull of new construction is.

We see this trend over and over again in all kinds of markets. Buyers are willing to spend more money on brand new homes, compared to what the market generally seems to bear, for very similar re-sale homes. The force is undeniably strong for homes that are cosmetically on-trend, sparkly new and touched only by the skilled hands of a construction worker!

But, there are many factors to take into consideration when considering the purchase of a new home.

 

Top 4 Things to Consider When Purchasing New Construction

  1. Builder contracts are not the same as general, state-approved real estate contracts and offer few protections for the buyer.
  2. If you are financing your purchase, your lender will most likely require an appraisal.
  3. Depending on the real estate market in your area, you may be responsible for purchasing many items that traditionally are included in homes that have been previously owned.
  4. You often can find older, re-sale homes in excellent condition with more square footage or larger lot sizes for the same price or even less money.

Builder Contracts

Builder contracts are meant to protect the builders’ interests. This is understandable, especially if the property has yet to be built and the builder is taking on most of the risk and upfront costs for building. Buyers don’t pay the builder for the home until it is ready to occupy and the sale has legally closed. That means a builder is on the hook for paying for the property even if a buyer terminates the transaction.

Having said all that, in most new construction sales contracts, buyers do not have the traditional protections (called Contingencies) for their earnest money deposit, that are included in a standard state-approved real estate contract. These contingencies generally include the ability to terminate (and receive a refund of your earnest money deposit) for reasons such as: repair issues that come up in the inspection period, or from a property disclosure statement provided by the seller, or for financing issues that are outside of the buyers’ control, including a low appraisal. Putting a deposit down on a new construction home generally means that money will go to the builder, regardless of what may occur in the sales transaction.  No take-backs allowed! 

Lender Appraisals

If you are financing your purchase it is likely that your lender will require an appraisal that proves to the bank the price you have agreed to pay for the home is supported by current market data for the area. In many cases, new construction will be in areas with a lot of empty space and not a lot of similar housing stock. Additionally, if you are purchasing one of the “best” homes in the development, such as a corner unit townhouse, or a unique home that backs to green space instead of other homes, there will be little support in the data given the unique, yet immensely valuable qualities of the property.

If an appraiser can’t find data in recently sold, comparable properties to support your sales price, then you may end up with a low opinion of value from the appraiser. Given the lack of a financing contingency in most builder contracts, that means you could be responsible for the difference between the low appraisal and the sales price you agreed to pay if the seller/builder will not negotiate. If that isn’t possible, you may need to terminate your sales agreement and lose your earnest money. Needless to say, this is not a fun situation for any buyer.

Unexpected Expenses

The most common negative we’ve heard repeatedly from our new construction buyers has to do with all the unexpected expenses they had neglected to factor into the purchase of their home.  This includes kitchen appliances, a washer and dryer, air conditioning, shades, curtains or blinds for all of those gorgeous new windows, and landscaping expenses. Buyers can be blinded by the bling of quartz counters, custom cabinetry, and pretty bathroom tile but miss the empty spaces where appliances and storage cabinets or shelving should be. Take stock of what is not included in the property and work hard to get those things included by the builder before you sign that contract.

Alternatives to Brand New Construction

Just like a new car, a new house loses some of its sexy appeal, the minute someone moves in. You’ve likely heard about the smart savings a car buyer can access by purchasing a car that’s two years old. The same goes for houses! You can get a lot for your money by purchasing a home built two to five years ago. It’s likely that the previous owner has worked out many of the new construction kinks. You’ll probably end up with all appliances, blinds and landscaping included in the purchase price, and you’ll have a stronger sense overall of how the development has fared in terms of perception and value in the neighborhood. Additionally, there will be less risk of “vacant land” development surprises next door or behind you, or months and months of construction to survive.

We know that there will always be folks who prefer to purchase new construction homes.  The low maintenance benefits and convenience of a house that is everything you want from day one is a beautiful thing! Given the housing inventory shortage in the metropolitan Portland area (and many other parts of our state), we need builders to create new housing for our expanding population. We really understand the need for new, affordable neighborhoods near job creation areas that are outside of the urban centers. We just want you to be educated about what it is you will be signing when you get swept up in the flush of new construction bliss and are given a pen by the very friendly builder’s representative sitting across the desk from you.

Want to know what to expect with a new construction purchase? We’d be happy to guide you through the process! Give us a call.

Erika & Kari

503.349.5449

www.houselovepdx.com

First Time Home Buyer Appraisal Lessons

We’ve had the most wonderful good fortune to be able to help get an amazing handful of first time home buyers into home ownership these past few months.  While the market has been incredibly competitive, we have had great luck helping our clients get accepted offers in multiple offer scenarios, or on the rare 2020 sleeper property before it gets noticed!

Our latest success story is first time home buyer Flo.  Flo had a bit of a set back when the lender’s appraisal for her loan approval on a new construction home in Hillsboro, came back at a lower value than what she had agreed to pay for the property.  As a result, Florence had to terminate her sales contract on that property.  While the pull of sexy new construction is strong, we helped Flo understand that there likely would be something else out there for her in great condition, but without the tippy-top of the market sticker price one generally finds in new construction.

Sure enough, Flo found a wonderful 2015-built, townhouse style condo in Happy Valley near restaurants, grocery stores and other services that she can walk to.  The property is bigger than the new construction home she had originally decided to purchase and she now has a sweet patch of actual yard out back, another feature that was lacking in her original property.  Like the new construction community in Hillsboro, this resale home also has access to an outdoor neighborhood pool.  Most importantly, the home is in terrific, like-new condition!

We are so happy for you Florence.  We happen to think that Happy Valley is the perfect place for our energetic, gift-giving, eternally cheerful (except after low appraisals perhaps), eternally HAPPY Flo!